We Want Gui!

[Ap0llon]

Sup y'all
This is rather a question than suggestion for dark0ne
I know a whole bunch of people,including myself who are still
stuck with raiden (although they know for a fact ioftpd kicks raiden's ass) for only one reason: NO GUI. I mean c'mon,this is WINBLOWS users you are dealing with.GUI is like oxigen here.
I'm sick of seeing in the screenshots section "Although ioftpd doesnt have a gui yet,this is one of our future developments... blah blah..." for months now.You try to fix lots of insignificant
performance bugs all the time,but the realy big one,lack of GUI
remains not fixed.You want the popularity of your software to grow 10x instantly? GET A GUI! You can start by replacing that annoying msg from screenshots section with ETA

[eso-]

uh, there is a few.... you can use the HTTP interface | SShot that Dark0n3 made (whish is built into ioFTPD)or you can use this one:

ioMONITOR
http://membres.lycos.fr/akumasai/softs
THE FILE YOU NEED FROM THERE IS iom2rc4.zip
| SShot here (http://ioftpd.com/images/ioftpd-monitor.gif)

[Pichento]

No we dont want GUI. We want a slick efficient daemon. If you cant GUI, simply use another win-based ftpd.

[-=DoBBeR=-]

I also wanted a GUI for ioftpd in at first, but now after using it for a few months I realize how much more in control I am using configfiles instead of a lame gui..

[NeoRanga]

Http interface is much better than gui, it's the configurable gui and can be used from any place with connection, can you wish anything better?

[-Dobe-]

yes something like this:
http://masa.makes.it

it does not support io yet but it should in the near future.
i think it's the best ftp admin prog for gl sites!

[SomeoneWhoCares_2]

Originally posted by Ap0llon
I'm sick of seeing in the screenshots section "Although ioftpd doesnt have a gui yet,this is one of our future developments... blah blah..." for months now.You try to fix lots of insignificant
performance bugs all the time,but the realy big one,lack of GUI
remains not fixed. do u really believe these types of comments are gonna make someone such as dark0n3 go out of his way to please some stupid n00b such as yourself?



and in regards to the GUI, speak for yourself, I for one could care less for a gui , i think the http admin interface seems very promising, and that the need for a gui is not essential but maybe just icing on the cake, and we all know icing makes you fat, do u wanna be fat Ap0llon? ...normally once your site is setup then thats it, no further use for a gui would really be required, although realtime monitoring/spy on users would be nice like in serv-u or g6..but not critical.

[zpr]

/callvote gui 0 :D

[jeffw]

If it's a freeware, Non-Gui no problem
if it's a shareware, developer better make a gui


/me prefer non-gui.
:D

[ffsj]

GUI is such a nightmare! GUI = poor performance.Strongly support no GUI!

[-Dobe-]

one way to do this is to make a new executable for the GUI and have some sort of process comunication with the existing ioftpd. that way everyone gets what they want.

[darkone]

Originally posted by -Dobe-
one way to do this is to make a new executable for the GUI and have some sort of process comunication with the existing ioftpd. that way everyone gets what they want.

One could create something like this over telnet interface.
Anyways, what comes to gui; there won't be such thing built-in. (ehh.. how many times do I need to tell you that?) I'm a network programmer & I have no experience on designing GUIs.

Idea of ioFTPD was never to replace products such as Serv-U/G6 - there are plenty of "easy to use" consumer ftpds already. ioFTPD is alternative product, to users who are seeking something different.

Ps. I'm fully aware that not everyone is capable of using notepad; those users don't belong to our target market segment - so worry not.

[zpr]

amen :D

[Ap0llon]

eso- : seen it,tried it - thats not it :( thx for the help effort tho

Pichento : Speak for yourself,i know at least dozen of people besides me who want gui and im certain there are many more.Us

wanting GUI does not mean we cant use command line,only means
we like GUI better.

SomeoneWhoCares : "do u really believe these types of comments are gonna make someone such as dark0n3 go out of his way to

please some stupid n00b such as yourself?"

No,i just know dark0ne is way smarter than you are to be affected by the way i said it and
i did not expect him to go out of his way to "please" anyone,its a suggestion how to make
the software better because given how long its been since the beginning of development and the fact that there is still no

gui makes me think that darkone is underestimating the significance
of it for most people.
As for the stupid n00b thing - i've been trading since you were in diapers,literally.When you were learning ABC,i was

configuring tcl scripts for gl...
So,next time when a looser like yourself feels a need to insult someone to make himself feel better or whatever else reason -

i suggest you go bone a goat or whatever that is you do to relieve that mental stress

darkone: Im a coder myself,and my Uni major is networks (besides software design),so please
dont draw conclusions that someone is an imbecile just for wanting GUI :)
About what you said on the "target market" - do you really want your software you put so much
time into to be only for limited choice of crowd? I mean if home users are able to use it too (and small businesses),
it'll be much more popular,not to mention that those folks are the ones who might actualy pay for it :)

"Idea of ioFTPD was never to replace products such as Serv-U/G6 - there are plenty of "easy to use" consumer ftpds already.

ioFTPD is alternative product, to users who are seeking something different."

PLEASE - replace em :P

[darkone]

Originally posted by Ap0llon
eso- : seen it,tried it - thats not it :( thx for the help effort tho

Pichento : Speak for yourself,i know at least dozen of people besides me who want gui and im certain there are many more.Us

wanting GUI does not mean we cant use command line,only means
we like GUI better.

SomeoneWhoCares : "do u really believe these types of comments are gonna make someone such as dark0n3 go out of his way to

please some stupid n00b such as yourself?"

No,i just know dark0ne is way smarter than you are to be affected by the way i said it and
i did not expect him to go out of his way to "please" anyone,its a suggestion how to make
the software better because given how long its been since the beginning of development and the fact that there is still no

gui makes me think that darkone is underestimating the significance
of it for most people.
As for the stupid n00b thing - i've been trading since you were in diapers,literally.When you were learning ABC,i was

configuring tcl scripts for gl...
So,next time when a looser like yourself feels a need to insult someone to make himself feel better or whatever else reason -

i suggest you go bone a goat or whatever that is you do to relieve that mental stress

darkone: Im a coder myself,and my Uni major is networks (besides software design),so please
dont draw conclusions that someone is an imbecile just for wanting GUI :)
About what you said on the "target market" - do you really want your software you put so much
time into to be only for limited choice of crowd? I mean if home users are able to use it too (and small businesses),
it'll be much more popular,not to mention that those folks are the ones who might actualy pay for it :)

"Idea of ioFTPD was never to replace products such as Serv-U/G6 - there are plenty of "easy to use" consumer ftpds already.

ioFTPD is alternative product, to users who are seeking something different."

PLEASE - replace em :P

I'm not underestimating the demand for a GUI. However development team that consists of one coder (me), so it's not possible to please everyone. At the moment my main concern is the people who have already paid: None of them expected ioFTPD to get a real GUI (I hope) - but there are still quite a few of the promised features missing (where the most noticable are missing httpd features)

Once these original goals have been met, I might reconsider addin a GUI along with other suggested features (such as shared userbase, win9x support, and so on) - but until then, I expect you to understand that it's not humanly possible for me to include everything you request... I'm not trying to increase demand with empty promises / too high expectations. Therefore I will say NO, to every request that both majority of users (registered) and/or I find unneccessary.

Ps. Please stop bashing each other. So far I haven't used moderator priviledges to remove anyone from these forums, and I really would like to keep it that way :D (I understand that people, including me :rolleyes:, are getting frustrated when these same questions are asked over, and over again... instead of spending hours browsing dictionary to find the most insulting word you can use to mock people, advice them to use search)

[Ap0llon]

i'll only reply to developer team part you said,because other things you said understandable,make perfect sense and i got nothing to say about em :/
I dont have time for this myself,but one of my IRC buddies is
really good coder,he's interested in coding/scripting in tcl/C/C++
Raiden home page has quite a few links to his home page and his scripts he made for raiden,such as trial script or quota script...
I told him few months ago to contact you to offer some help
because he was like lazy bum at that point,spending lots of time online.So he tried,but had a problem tracking you down on IRC.
So if you would accept some help (not saying that you need any)
and pm me how to find you - i'd be happy to send the guy to you.
He's not interested in any author rights or any other copy right stuff,just likes to code and is interested in ioftpd development
because ive taught him so :P

[dcZ]

GUI, nah... I dont think its needed even. ioFTPD is nice the way it is, with regular config files, site commands, and telnet. Nice and lightweight the way it is.


I vote for NO gui, or maybe a seperate version with gui.

[darkone]

Much improved httpd is coming in the next version :) That's as far as we go, when it comes to built-in GUI

[FTPServerTools]

What would you want in the gui?
display of who is doing what?
history of who did what up to say 500 lines?
bandwith graph?
kick connection button?
some buttons for adduser/deluser and such

THats about it??

[CruNcH]

I also can't see a convincing argument for a GUI. I'm not a programmer, but thats a quite simple thing: The more code, the more errors/bugs.
ioFTPD is now in such a nice stable state that it would be a waste to develop a GUI now. Would just lead to new bugs, which have to be bugfixed, and new bugfixes produce new bugs again :P

ioFTPD is highly customizable without a GUI. When the http daemon is ready, the last reason for a GUI is gone.
The people who are not yet expierienced with ioFTPD can simply manage the most important functions of the ftpd by web interface.

And people who wanna customize their ioFTPD with zipscripts and such stuff, won't even want a GUI because that would a help a shit in that case. In fact a GUI is for noobs. But ioFTPD isnt.

[FTPServerTools]

Well e simple 'gui' kinda like a monitor is ok. But no editing on the ini files, thats too much work to keep updated. A monitor isnt that hard and that part of io doesnt change all that much. (I hope)

[dcZ]

ya if u want gui just use the improved httpd coming as darkone said :) that sounds alot better than an actual GUI..

[Sup3rm4n]

Im one of the "paying customers" and support D1 in wanted spend more time in making an Ftpdeamon, instead of some ****ed up GUI, want gui use raiden.....

ioFTPD is not for gui people...

[Ap0llon]

:confused: you are saying new improved version with httpd is out,
each time i have to upgrade my ioFTPD (and since its developing rather rapidly we all do it often) im wondering which files exactly do i need to replace and what else to do to make upgrade successful.So,id like to ask would it be possible to implement some sort of upgrade wizard or at least make a txt file with instructions how to upgrade from previous versions so we wont have to look up for the upgrade info,which files to replace, each time people need to upgrade.
Thnx ahead

[dcZ]

omg man... go back to serv-u

[tC!]

exactly. most of the times it's just the ini and the exe.
if that doesn't work you also might have to overwrite/extract some other file(s).
but still - how much time can reading the changelog/readme take?

if you don't want to invest 10 minutes then really you might want to switch the ftpd

[Gotisch]

i finally made it to configer a ioftpd with different credit sections, some zipscript and a sitebot wohooo. im not that unskilled after all =). And no-gui isnt that terrible. reminds me apache :>

[thewarden]

Originally posted by FTPServerTools
What would you want in the gui?


- this is a hard one to please all...

But I use IOMONITOR to simply do a site who every 200,000 ms when I want to monitor the site - does what I need as I edited
the cmd buttons to suit my needs.

Anyways...

If you are and when you do take on a new project it works better than most others I use...so...

For me - per user online info

total time on
bw used as in\out
currently doing up\dn\idle

ex: user \ 24:20 \ 34K \ up of whateverfile

^ your basic site who info


Per the SYSOPS end for a few cmd buttons

NEW dirs - value set ex: 100
ADD USER account
KILL USER account
KICK user
External script run - ex: run off VFSLISTER


and the basic OPEN cmd line option so we can do what cmd we want...is a must item!

Simple is best :)

But if you are going for the GUI people, features are what they are looking for as too many have been raiden spolied...

TW