_panic_: weekly status: comments

[_panic_]

this thread is for comments about my wk0 status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15629).

[esmandil]

i'm particularly annoyed at the 4k+.ioFTPD bug, so i might go hunting for that to settle into the code (after writing the UserModule docs).

Sounds like a good idea to me :)

I think I recall d1 once saying the problem with 4k+ .ioftpd was in the reader... they overflowed some buffer and the bigger one was being allocated but never assigned to proper variable... or something like this ;) I may be wrong, however.

[neoxed]

darkone posted about the 4KB bug, although the alleged patch was never released.

http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13369

If you don't mind me asking, which version of the code base are you working off of, panic? Beta-5.8.5 or the code last committed in by darkone (assuming IniCom uses some form of source control)?

[_panic_]

darkone posted about the 4KB bug, although the alleged patch was never released.

http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13369

If you don't mind me asking, which version of the code base are you working off of, panic? Beta-5.8.5 or the code last committed in by darkone (assuming IniCom uses some form of source control)?

i have both the beta-5.8.5 as well as the 1.0 stuff darkone was working on. the "beta" is in much better shape, and *far* more complete, so that is our codebase going forward.

i've been cleaning it up, and will be rolling the stuff from 1.0 into it eventually, but 1.0 wasn't far enough along to actually begin using it.

heh, and that bug sounds trivial. i'll check the code later tonight/tomorrow, it might be fixed but not released. we'll see.

[_panic_]

i've written a new status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=125475#post125475) for week 3. comments appreciated.

[JoC]

Not easy to comment when we got nothing new to test. ;)
But do you think it would be possible to release a new .exe with the 4kb fixed,once u got it to compile probebly. :)

[_panic_]

Not easy to comment when we got nothing new to test. ;)
But do you think it would be possible to release a new .exe with the 4kb fixed,once u got it to compile probebly. :)

that is a good idea. i'll put out a new release as soon as i figure out why |CertFindCertificateInStore| is failing.

[Harm]

Actually, I would rather wait until you consider it to be at least as stable as the current beta.
If you need alpha versions to achieve that, I would be happy to test a few things.

Good luck.

[esmandil]

Actually, I would rather wait until you consider it to be at least as stable as the current beta.

From what I understood, _panic_ is trying to compile the current beta... So it should be about as stable as that ;)

[Harm]

Of course.. once darkone's development environment will have been completely reproduced (libraries and such), which isn't the case. From what I've read so far, it looks like _panic_ has made great progress but still misses a few things.

[_panic_]

Of course.. once darkone's development environment will have been completely reproduced (libraries and such), which isn't the case. From what I've read so far, it looks like _panic_ has made great progress but still misses a few things.

yes. i'm actually downloading now every snapshot of ioftpd d1 ever created. i think the snapshot i was working with (something post 0.5.82u) has some unfinished code that is causing my current problem, so i'm going to back up a few snapshots and find the latest actually working version of ioftpd.

[_panic_]

i've written a new status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=125602#post125602) for week 4. comments encouraged.

[peep]

I'm speachless. Been such a long time since downloading the latest io beta version to start bug-hunting it. This time it's even more exiting since we've got the final version on the way

[Mr_X]

nice to see that you made ioftpd compiling.
It's more an idea than a comment but I see lots of user that don't know why ioftpd doesn't start.
Even in logs, there's nothing. Sometimes, it's missing files, sometimes a ] or [ is missing in ini, and so on...
Could you add some messages about errors that makes ioftpd don't start (for the next release, do important things first).

[tuff]

work on getting a 4k+ bug fixed 5.8.5r/4u out panic, this will keep a lot of people happy, including myself :)

[sCry]

great news, cant wait any more.

[_panic_]

nice to see that you made ioftpd compiling.
It's more an idea than a comment but I see lots of user that don't know why ioftpd doesn't start.
Even in logs, there's nothing. Sometimes, it's missing files, sometimes a ] or [ is missing in ini, and so on...
Could you add some messages about errors that makes ioftpd don't start (for the next release, do important things first).

one of my personal pet peeves is good error handling. i probably won't fix a whole bunch at once, but i'll pick up stuff piecemeal and improve it over time. on a similar note, i'd like to add more documentation to the ioFTPD.ini file too, particularly to include notes on frequently asked questions.

finally, i'd like to improve the "out of box" configuration so it is easier to get started with.

consider your request on the list!

[_panic_]

work on getting a 4k+ bug fixed 5.8.5r/4u out panic, this will keep a lot of people happy, including myself :)

looking at your version numbers, i'm reminded that i need to build both a registered and unregistered version. yet one more little thing to do before i can release.

i'll get you a full custom delivery of new code as soon as i can. 8)

[Pretone]

there's a beta version to try or are only for betatest....

[zpr]

awesome panic, keep good work on!

[_panic_]

i've written a new status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=125814#post125814) for week 5. comments encouraged.

[peep]

Great news, and great timing, you got it on my day off and all :)

[oldhouse80]

Alright testing new version now!!!
First thing noticed: there isn't ioftpd icon anymore :D
I tried just to replace exe in my ioftpd folder, where io is started as service, and it crashes every 20 seconds without evident errors in logs...

szAppName : ioFTPD.exe szAppVer : 0.0.0.0 szModName : ioFTPD.exe
szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset : 0002c092

[sCry]

try to test...thanks for your efforts.

[peep]

I also run it as service but no problems here.

[oldhouse80]

Yes I got it, it's sharedb problem, cause if I remove it ioFTPD works fine as a service too. Maybe modules have to be recompiled.

[hukker]

just tried it a bit, when I executed site who ioftpd.exe crashed, and I recevied one of thoose winxp error msgs...

you guys get the same thing?

edit. site who was in config and linking to that blzbot.tcl, since it was a fresh copy I tested this on...

[InvisiGod]

works fine, lets see how it will be in several days. it's great that s2s works like a charm now ;)

[_panic_]

Alright testing new version now!!!
First thing noticed: there isn't ioftpd icon anymore :D

i noticed that, but haven't tried to figure it out yet. i'm not sure i've got a copy of the .ico file sitting around, i'm going to have to rip it out of an old executable and add it to the build.

thanks. :)

[_panic_]

works fine, lets see how it will be in several days. it's great that s2s works like a charm now ;)

i'm new here, what is s2s? :rolleyes:

[_panic_]

just tried it a bit, when I executed site who ioftpd.exe crashed, and I recevied one of thoose winxp error msgs...

you guys get the same thing?

you mean you got an error message of the sort like "this program just crashed?" i haven't tried nearly all the builtin commands yet, but regression tests for this stuff is high on my list of priorities. hopefully someone else can confirm or deny this is a problem, and i'll test it myself this week.

[hukker]

you mean you got an error message of the sort like "this program just crashed?" i haven't tried nearly all the builtin commands yet, but regression tests for this stuff is high on my list of priorities. hopefully someone else can confirm or deny this is a problem, and i'll test it myself this week.

thats exactly what I mean. I know executeing the same command on the previous release just gives you command failed and io keeps running.

I understand that alot of testing needs to be done still ;) Iam just glad your around working on this greate ftpd

[PNC]

NIce !!! AWESOME a new version!! Cooll... :cool:

[PNC]

just tried it a bit, when I executed site who ioftpd.exe crashed, and I recevied one of thoose winxp error msgs...

you guys get the same thing?

edit. site who was in config and linking to that blzbot.tcl, since it was a fresh copy I tested this on...


I think due its a new fresh build, try to test it without any script.
When you see no error , try to add some scripts.But if you wait a while maybe all script will be compatible for this version.. Nice to see a new version.. Going to test now.... Awesome work _Panic_ :cool: :)

[hukker]

I think due its a new fresh build, try to test it without any script.
When you see no error , try to add some scripts.But if you wait a while maybe all script will be compatible for this version.. Nice to see a new version.. Going to test now.... Awesome work _Panic_ :cool: :)

yeah but I did try on a fresh build, the blzbot.tcl is standard in the config so... :\
you can try out the site who cmd, and check if you receive an error and io crashes

[ArtX]

edited - nevermind

[EwarWoo]

Alright testing new version now!!!
First thing noticed: there isn't ioftpd icon anymore :D
I tried just to replace exe in my ioftpd folder, where io is started as service, and it crashes every 20 seconds without evident errors in logs...

szAppName : ioFTPD.exe szAppVer : 0.0.0.0 szModName : ioFTPD.exe
szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset : 0002c092

There hasn't been a ioFTPD icon for quite a while now, you've upgraded froma very old version, and just replacing the exe will not be sufficient.

[oldhouse]

5.8.5r had icon, and I upgraded form that version ^^'

[tuff]

i think this icon nonsense is the actual exe icon, not an icon in the taskbar, does it really matter if the exe has an icon, after this amount of time im happy to see a release at all

and since when was blzbot.tcl or any bot tcl standard in ioftpd config

[hukker]

i think this icon nonsense is the actual exe icon, not an icon in the taskbar, does it really matter if the exe has an icon, after this amount of time im happy to see a release at all

and since when was blzbot.tcl or any bot tcl standard in ioftpd config

WHO = TCL ..\scripts\BlzBot.itcl

is what I find in ioftpd.ini when downloading a fresh copy, ececuteing it crashed io for me...

I ment itcl offcourse, sorry

[dasOp]

5.8.5r had icon, and I upgraded form that version ^^'

It had a file icon but no tray icon. You may have been using ioTrayIcon to put one in the system tray. If so, it should work just fine with 5.8.6 as well. If it doesn't, I'll look into it and see if I can push out a new version of that silly tray icon. :)

[tuff]

strange, just checked the 5.8.0r package, and it does indeed have a config line for WHO & blzbot, although the relevant script aint in the package.

i suggest you try another who script hukker, ioFTPWHODLX for example, theres more also in the scripts section

[oldhouse]

hey i was talking about exe icon, not the tray one, and if u noticed, i added a smile after my notice, cause it was just for fun. Serious problems are about modules for me.

[_panic_]

this thread is for comments about my wk5 status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=126054#post126054).

[oldhouse80]

I am still getting this error after every site command i run through ioftp 5.8.6

AppName: ioftpd.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: ioftpd.exe
ModVer: 0.0.0.0 Offset: 0002c092

I tried also a clean install of 5.8.0 and replacing just exe, but same thing happens. Any idea to help with this error code?

I tried running a bat, a itcl, an exe, but always same crash.
Dunno if this can help solving this issue, but when launching a bat, it starts fine, then when it goes to end its operations and closes, ioftp crashes. BTW this error applies also on site who and site swho.

[tuff]

panic:

A) "site who" now crashes the server, instead of being unimplemented like it used to be.

site who was removed a LONG time ago, and was replaced by site swho. site who has been an added script for ages, i have no idea where that blzbot.tcl for site who came from in the default ini

B) in some cases (all cases?) an empty php.ini file should be included.

C) the !uptime command is not working like it used to.

again, this is a script for an ircbot

D) the ioftpd icon reverted to the default command-line icon.

i wouldnt worry about silly icons

good work with the 5.8.6r release

[webManx]

del this post plz.

[helenoksen]

'also this week, a security issue was published concerning ioftpd. you can read about the issue at this site. basically ioftpd uses different error messages for an unknown user and an unknown password. you can exploit this to determine whether a username is a valid account on the server. modern server design calls for this information to be hidden.'

Maybe move this info to the regged forum section? Ppl get crazy ideas when reading such things.

Thanks. keep up the good work!

[Mr_X]

helenoksen, it's old informations. "Exploit" is new.

[helenoksen]

Well this info. is new to this board no?

[_panic_]

panic:

A) "site who" now crashes the server, instead of being unimplemented like it used to be.

site who was removed a LONG time ago, and was replaced by site swho. site who has been an added script for ages, i have no idea where that blzbot.tcl for site who came from in the default ini

B) in some cases (all cases?) an empty php.ini file should be included.

C) the !uptime command is not working like it used to.

again, this is a script for an ircbot

D) the ioftpd icon reverted to the default command-line icon.

i wouldnt worry about silly icons

good work with the 5.8.6r release

thanks for clarifying this. sometimes i just scratch down notes from what i read in the forums and i don't always pay attention to where i am, so i wind up taking down issues that have to do with scripts instead.

[Mr_X]

helenoksen, I discovered this more than one year ago, and spoke about it on irc (i don't think I was the first to find this).

[_panic_]

this thread is for comments about my wk6 status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=126362#post126362).

[oslike]

got a question for panic:

1) will future ioftpd development stick to the announced LUA scripts technology?
2) how high on your prio list is the implementation of SSL FXP from io ?

os

[_panic_]

got a question for panic:

1) will future ioftpd development stick to the announced LUA scripts technology?
2) how high on your prio list is the implementation of SSL FXP from io ?

os

we will be supporting multiple scripting languages, and lua is in that list. it will be the next scripting language we support.

ssl fxp is my highest priority item beyond bugs and code stabilization. i don't have an estimate yet for when we'll see it. i'll probably be working on both these at the same time, so i can stay fresh by bouncing between them.

[_panic_]

this thread is for comments about my wk7 status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=126534#post126534).

[peep]

Congrats to the silver mate!

[dink-puller]

You already know about site who, but none of my old .itcl scripted custom commands work with 5.8.6, site who, site version, site banlist all cause io to crash, and that's not good. Oh, and another thing. I miss the ugly red blob of an icon, bring it back please. :D

[_panic_]

Congrats to the silver mate!

thank ya! all of my teammates got gold instead, so i have something to aspire to next year!

[_panic_]

You already know about site who, but none of my old .itcl scripted custom commands work with 5.8.6, site who, site version, site banlist all cause io to crash, and that's not good. Oh, and another thing. I miss the ugly red blob of an icon, bring it back please. :D

one ugly red blob of an icon coming right up!

i need to invest more time in putting a regression framework together here. that way i can recreate and fix these problems. thanks for the report, i'll get it fixed as soon as i can.

[_panic_]

this thread is for comments about my wk8 status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=126728#post126728).

[iXi]

still waiting for a site to site SSL ioFTPD version because allmost all glftpd sites requires s2s ssl fxp connections.. for up/down..

[hankeyman]

still waiting for a site to site SSL ioFTPD version because allmost all glftpd sites requires s2s ssl fxp connections.. for up/down..
Uhm, i may be wrong, but when i remember correct, the problem wasnt glftpd<->ioftpd but ioftpd<->ioftpd ... right?

[EwarWoo]

Thats about the gist of it.
ioFTPD will work with SSL site to site transfers. The issue is it is unable to initiate site to site transfers.
When using with glFTPD just use alternate transfer method and gl will initiate the SSL transfer.

[oslike]

isnt there a week report missing? :) the 9th one?

[Pheidias]

5.8.6r doesn't work with iogui2. Sorry to say

[_panic_]

isnt there a week report missing? :) the 9th one?

yep. we're missing two, actually. my bad. i'll have one out this week with an explanation...

[_panic_]

5.8.6r doesn't work with iogui2. Sorry to say

can you explain in what way it doesn't work? this message doesn't give me much to go on. a fuller description of exactly why these aren't working together would help me figure it out.

[Pheidias]

ok iogui can connect and such but the rest isn't there, such as activity user info group info, they are just blank. So the only things that work are the browser and the console window. And the console window will crash ioftpd if you try to issue a command. If you atleast could make the activity work again it would be nice. It's a good way to check who is on the ftp and what they are doing. Hope this info helps in some way.

[ADDiCT]

I doubt panic would get his hands dirty on ioGui :p Pheidias, are u using the .exe ioGuiExt or the .itcl script? (I would recommend the script version)

[Pheidias]

Ok panic their wasn't any problems between them(I was the screw up), with the exe atleast with the itcl it crashes all the time but I don't use that anyways. Sorry if I took anytime away from more important stuff

[_panic_]

I doubt panic would get his hands dirty on ioGui :p Pheidias, are u using the .exe ioGuiExt or the .itcl script? (I would recommend the script version)

right, i meant "me" in the "royal we" sense. :p

[ACiD]

I'm not trying to be pushy but do you think that we could get a new version with that fixed in it now. Seeing as that is not just a bug fix or feature request but a fix to a Security Vulnerabilty. Which i feel makes it alot more important.

Personally i feel that this should have been patched as soon as it was discovered which obviously didn't happen. <-- understatement

anyways Panic i know its not your fualt so i don't blame you but your the only person that has access to the source and is actively coding so you are all we got right now.

I thought my 30 bux would buy me more than just volunteers, but i guess i was wrong.

Oh and if "IniCom" switches to a subscription based business model for io they better do alot more ALOT more than they are doing now for the future of this program or else you will see that little title(ioFTPD Pro Foundation User) under my Nick disapear

[_panic_]

I'm not trying to be pushy but do you think that we could get a new version with that fixed in it now. Seeing as that is not just a bug fix or feature request but a fix to a Security Vulnerabilty. Which i feel makes it alot more important.

Personally i feel that this should have been patched as soon as it was discovered which obviously didn't happen. <-- understatement

i'm sorry, what is "that fixed" referring to in this sentence? are you talking about site to site ssl or something else?

anyways Panic i know its not your fualt so i don't blame you but your the only person that has access to the source and is actively coding so you are all we got right now.

I thought my 30 bux would buy me more than just volunteers, but i guess i was wrong.

Oh and if "IniCom" switches to a subscription based business model for io they better do alot more ALOT more than they are doing now for the future of this program or else you will see that little title(ioFTPD Pro Foundation User) under my Nick disapear

that's all right, i didn't think i'd have to deal with whiney users who thought making threats was a good way to get what they wanted. since neither of us is getting what we expected, why don't we start with a clean slate and move forward with what we've got? please try making your request again in a way where i'll be able to spend more time coding and less time dealing with these kinds of remarks.

[ACiD]

ok you made me look retarded. :P

sorry for not clarifying what i was talking about, i am speaking in regards to the fix to the login error messages saying different things depending on if its a wrong username or password the client supplies.

and as far as the "threat" comment goes, it's not a threat so much as it's feedback because ultimately i would like to see this project succeed and become the best FTP Server on ANY platform. But, I am just voicing my opinion because i know the important ppl are around here somewhere (Linkster, and whoever else) and they will hopefully see this. They can try and predict what their customers are thinking all day long but if enough ppl share their opinion on the current status of this project and the Rumor that is going around about the subscription service, then inicom will know what their customers think of the situation.

However this is the wrong place for this discussion and i realize that so....

My question is "Can we have a new version with the login error message vulnerability fixed now?"

[_panic_]

ok you made me look retarded. :P

sorry for not clarifying what i was talking about, i am speaking in regards to the fix to the login error messages saying different things depending on if its a wrong username or password the client supplies.

ah, you know. i've fixed that in my version of the code, but haven't made a new release yet. i wanted to fix the /site command bug, since 5.8.6 is kinda useless for most people without being able to run those commands. and to do *that* i wanted to add a regression test framework.

so in essense, the whole thing is waiting on me fixing some issues with my new regression test framework. i'm happy to compile up what i've got and provide it as-is, if you'd like to try it. i'm still quite new at making releases. the last one we uncovered some bugs with our release process and it took me awhile; but i need to get faster at it one way or another. so why not another release!

and as far as the "threat" comment goes, it's not a threat so much as it's feedback because ultimately i would like to see this project succeed and become the best FTP Server on ANY platform. But, I am just voicing my opinion because i know the important ppl are around here somewhere (Linkster, and whoever else) and they will hopefully see this. They can try and predict what their customers are thinking all day long but if enough ppl share their opinion on the current status of this project and the Rumor that is going around about the subscription service, then inicom will know what their customers think of the situation.

However this is the wrong place for this discussion and i realize that so....

My question is "Can we have a new version with the login error message vulnerability fixed now?"

i've not heard the rumor about subscription-based service. and actually, pricing is one of those things that is up to me to decide. so if i'm not in the loop, it is a total rumor. :p i've several ideas about pricing, but nothing is going to change in the next couple months. but realize that if we're talking about changing the pricing model is it *because* the current pricing model is a factor in the attention we're able to give ioFTPD. i'm aware that we're not meeting expectations, so making changes of that sort would be so that we *could* meet expectations. *not* so we could wring more money out of you and walk away. :/

and to answer your questions, yes you can have a new release; if you allow me to work around other obligations in my schedule (tis the season...). late this week would be the earliest i can provide it. christmas day at the outside. this works?

[ACiD]

/me bows

[oslike]

Hi Panic,

just a suggestion,

but maybe its a good idea to announce a date for the next release and just make it with what you got coded so far. I think this will make most people happy espcialy those who wait for small updates like that "login error message" one and it will show that there is progress. (How big the progress is, can be discussed on another peace of paper :) )

regards
os

[_panic_]

Hi Panic,

just a suggestion,

but maybe its a good idea to announce a date for the next release and just make it with what you got coded so far. I think this will make most people happy espcialy those who wait for small updates like that "login error message" one and it will show that there is progress. (How big the progress is, can be discussed on another peace of paper :) )

regards
os

i think this is a good idea, *when* i transition to full time (paid!) work. until then my schedule will just be so unpredictable that i'm bound to disappont.

[_panic_]

/me bows

/me bows back

you've a new file that should fix this issue. version 5.8.7r.

[ACiD]

Why thank you sir.

Already installed and Just verified the fix does in fact work. will provide feedback if i see any new bugs introduced.

Thanks again.

[_panic_]

Why thank you sir.

Already installed and Just verified the fix does in fact work. will provide feedback if i see any new bugs introduced.

Thanks again.

if you want to get really, really serious about testing it, there might well be subtle time differences between a valid and invalid user account.

it might be nice to see if you can detect invalid accounts by the difference in time it takes to display a return code when providing a valid vs invalid user. but then again the effect might be subtle and not detectable above the noise.

[mr_F]

site swho crashes the daemon for me, reverted to 5.8.5r ... as 5.8.6r also crashes on swho for me. something must be fishy here, i have NO scripts interfering with the swho command.

is this just me?

[ACiD]

I don't have any problems with "swho" at all. on a clean install of 5.8.6r i get problems with the "who" command but then i just commented out the who command in the .ini and i think i use ioA for the who command now.

But for swho everything is peachy

[ACiD]

if you want to get really, really serious about testing it, there might well be subtle time differences between a valid and invalid user account.

it might be nice to see if you can detect invalid accounts by the difference in time it takes to display a return code when providing a valid vs invalid user. but then again the effect might be subtle and not detectable above the noise.

Well im connecting to my server on the same machine it runs on and i also have a powerful machine so detecting little lags like that for me would probably be a futile activity.

But i did try it several times back and forth supplying different usernames and passwords and i couldn't see a difference.

[mr_F]

hrmmm
this is a clean install i wonder why it's crashing...

[JoC]

hrmmm
this is a clean install i wonder why it's crashing...
mr_F I think you got the same prob as many other. http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15862

[ArtX]

dont know if this has been posted about but i did check but find nothing

when using 5.8.6r and someone tried to connect normaly - non ssl - and i have it set so all connections had to be ssl - they would get the msg

[L] 530 Your user class requires you to use secure connections.
[L] Connection failed

but now when i use 5.8.7r instead of that same msg it just says

[L] 530 Login failed: Invalid password.
[L] Connection failed

dont know if this is a little bug or something i have done - although its a clean install

i have tested this going all the way back to 5.8.4r and it seems only 5.8.7 does this - not major i know but thought i would bring it up anyway :P

btw - any update on when the little error when deleting dirs will be fixed

(looking back in this thread i think it may have already be reported in a diff way :eek: )

after i bit of messing about i have found it gives you the "invalid password" error no matter what error you may have - ssl - config

[mr_F]

perhaps panic decided to randomly delete a lot of important code?
i don't understand wtf is going on in this release.

[ArtX]

i helped make an installer for glftpd with a lot of scripts - so i know how panic feels - one false move and you can knacker a lot of stuff you didnt mean too :D

there anything else you touched panic as site version dont work now - havent looked at all the other cmds to see if they work

[tuff]

_panic_

little while since we heard from you, made any progress with the site command/del bugs?

[JoC]

hmm, ioFTPD without developer again or _panic_ just being a bad boy and going on vaccation without letting us know?`:)

[oslike]

no, he is just visiting darkone for a while ;)

[EwarWoo]

They're prolly both busy making arrangements for the funeral of the ioFTPD project.
iniCom don't seem to have the best organisational skills. There shoulda been a team of paid developpers in on this from day 1 of taking over. Not wait until d1 has been gone for 4 months then look for a friend who can volunteer a bit of spare time.
Not to menation every time they promise something they have more timeslips that m$.
The future of io aint looking too rosie.

[mr_F]

thanks for deleting my post admin(s).
great to know that a completely fair and honest post gets removed. I was suggesting an idea, and a dissatisfaction with my investment. and in return, my opinion gets abolished as if i am not even entitled to express it.

[oslike]

oh they deleted your post with the suggestion to make ioftpd OPEN SOURCE ? I think they just moved it ...

[EwarWoo]

Yup, they did ;)
http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16134

[ArtX]

i think we should report _panic_ as a missing person - been quite a while since there was any updates

[JoC]

i think we should report _panic_ as a missing person - been quite a while since there was any updates
http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=127700#post127700

[ArtX]

over a week ago, i did see it b4 i posted :)

[helenoksen]

hold your ponys.

the man is doing the best he can

[Linkster]

Yes, please hold your ponies. Good things are in store. Look for a post from _panic_ very soon.

[EwarWoo]

Hehe. Will be interesting to see how long your definition of "very soon" is after seeing the iniCom definitions of soon, shortly and next week.
Working in customer services myself I gotta say you really need to learn the customer services motto of under promise and over deliver, otherwise you have this situation where people have little faith in what you say.

[PNC]

hehe.. your right.. the words "very soon" or "nears completion" has been used very often... "nears completion" has been used for more then 8 month hehe... I hope not that this product ends like Radmin.. I'm just asking, why inicom is not working with deadline? like giving a deadline that ioFTPD 1.0 must be completed??? full function??.. and if not, why not?? :confused:

[Harm]

And then what ? release it when we meet the deadline even if it's not completely ready... or change the deadline every few months... :p
Far too many pieces of software are like that. I'd rather wait a few months (years ?) more, go through more beta stages than having a buggy product that was released on time. I can't remember how long we had to wait for almost all Blizzard games.

However, I must admit that they made some communication errors about this product and the release of v1.0.


I heard _panic_ had real life problems he had to deal with before coming back. Some very interesting ideas were mentionned in these forums: complete documentation and code skeleton for the modules, revision control system (who knows how many developers will work on ioFTPD in the future), unit tests, etc. I believe they are all in the pipeline and will be announced when they're ready (just my 2 cents).
We can't plan problems/downtimes so I'll live with them and make a list of bugs/requests I would like to see implemented and send it to _panic_ when he'll be back.

Also, it would be great to be able to chat with _panic_ (or the other members of the dev team, if any) from time to time. Maybe he doesn't like irc but something like a monthly bugday would be great.

[_panic_]

over a week ago, i did see it b4 i posted :)

and i said in that post i needed a couple few... i think i hit right in the middle of that time range, so :p

[tuff]

im sure i speak for everyone _panic_, we wish you every success at inicom

[_panic_]

However, I must admit that they made some communication errors about this product and the release of v1.0.

we did. obviously loosing d1 had a major effect on the schedule, even before he technically disappeared. this transition was a long and slow process, and i'll be cleaning up the website, reworking the schedule, and getting a new timeline given the new situation we have going forward.

Also, it would be great to be able to chat with _panic_ (or the other members of the dev team, if any) from time to time. Maybe he doesn't like irc but something like a monthly bugday would be great.

i love irc. i'm planning on making myself available over irc and instant messenger as part of my transition to inicom. this is one of the many things i'll be working on next week as i ramp into working full time.

[EwarWoo]

Nice, finally someone with their main focus on io again, congratulations panic :D

[Mr_X]

Nice to see you back _panic_. That's a good thing that you'll work full time at iniCom. ;)

[peep]

Great news panic, congrats! We now see some light at the end of this tunnel again..

[pion]

Will ioFTPD contain a shared userdb module?
The last(only?) iosharedb module has a lot of flaws/bugs!

[helenoksen]

Will ioFTPD contain a shared userdb module?
The last(only?) iosharedb module has a lot of flaws/bugs!

A built-in shared db module would indeed be great. But I think what you will hear is that such a thing doesn't really belong in a ftp daemon because of the lot of cons it would bring with it. So you're left with the io scripting community...

Speaking of modules and such, is it possible to write a shared db module entirely in C#?

I've always wanted to write stuff for io but there was always lack of docs and info. How about making a MSDN Library but for io? :idea: :p

greetings,

[Harm]

You're right, it doesn't belong to ioFTPD itself. That's what modules are for ;)

As far as I know, _panic_ is working on documenting the module API (and maybe all of the API). He may also release the source code of a sample module. Apart from that (that's still to come), you can always ask your questions to the community.

[pion]

I don't know if this is the correct section for this question; but what about an upgraded vfs system that allows you to write on multiple destinations points aswell as reading?

In the current beta you can mount several dirs/drives into the same vfs path, and download from all dirs, however, if you try and upload anything you only store stuff on the last entry.. :\ Would be great if ioFTPD used some sort of spanned/lvm logic to fill up the first entry (drive) first, and then move on to the next ;)

[tuff]

pion, its a valid suggestion, although d1 stated many times, that the writing to the last drive in a raid vfs mount was simply a fluke, it wasnt intentional.

if you wish to read/write from this sort of software raid, why not simply use windows built in drive spanning tool?

[pion]

Due the spanned volume function in windows results in massive dataloss if one of the drives in the spanned volume dies..

As a note to my previous post; It seems to me ioFTPD is aiming for a more coorporate marked. Wouldn't a shared userdb (or a common/linkable database solution like mysql) be highly valued? :)

[iXi]

still waiting for site2site SSL support...~

[oslike]

same here,

i am reading about panic working on some "module-Environment" implementation

... but a short site2site SSL implementation would really add a huge value to the ftpd and it could finaly catch up to the glftpd

[tuff]

bugs fixes would be more welcome than new features imo

[oslike]

every bug is a missing feature

[iXi]

i think a FXPABLE FTPD without working site2site ssl... is sensless... and we all know what d1 ioFTPD made for...

[oslike]

omg, i just read that _panic_ is starting full time at iniCom.

guys you know what that means?

That means that the deam of SSLfxp with ioftpd might become reality....soon , lol !!!

[tuff]

keep your panties on man :D

[_panic_]

i've written a new status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=128390#post128390). comments encouraged.

[Harm]

It's nice to see you getting into this new job. Best wishes. :)

You said you've just configured revision control systems and wikis. I wonder what RCS you have finally chosen. You mentionned darcs a while ago but I don't think it fits corporate use.
Also, will these be completely internal systems or may we expect to see parts of them (and maybe contribute to them) in the future? For example, you could use the versionning system to make code samples available (like modules). Having a public and official wiki could also improve the quantity and the quality of the documentation faster. It would probably have to be moderated though.

Talking about blogs, I guess these will be public. It might be easier to publish development status and new ideas than using the forums.

We finally have a full time developer working on ioFTPD again. Now please let us now what we can expect from all these new tools. :)

Looking forward to seeing you soon in #ioftpd.

[tuff]

you seem to eat a lot of free food panic :P

[_panic_]

You said you've just configured revision control systems and wikis. I wonder what RCS you have finally chosen. You mentionned darcs a while ago but I don't think it fits corporate use.
Also, will these be completely internal systems or may we expect to see parts of them (and maybe contribute to them) in the future? For example, you could use the versionning system to make code samples available (like modules). Having a public and official wiki could also improve the quantity and the quality of the documentation faster. It would probably have to be moderated though.

i'm a huge believer in architecture s of participation (http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/articles/architecture_of_participation.html). i'm trying to get my partner's in crime (one of the code words i use to describe the management team here, myself included) to open up ports on our firewall, but i think i'd do better with just a whole machine connected to the interweb.

at any rate, i love the forums, but we need to deploy tools beyond the forums for certain of our problems, particularly the ones you mention.

as far as revision control, darcs still provides a great deal of utility for us, as i'm the sole dev here in the office. everyone else is remote. what has changed is that i have a central location available to push and pull from. this might change the system we are using, but i never choose anything on the basis of whether it is corporate or not. :p

Talking about blogs, I guess these will be public. It might be easier to publish development status and new ideas than using the forums.

the forums aren't going anywhere, certainly. i'm not sure what the best mechanism going forward will be to publish status updates. whichever one winds up working will be the one we use.

right now, all of what i'm doing is internal systems stuff. some things just have to stay internal, and i don't have to focus as much on security and authentication with our internal systems. these systems will migrate out and have public components, for reasons i mention above. honestly, i'd like as much to be public and open as we can possibly get. i'm not sure where this balance is yet, but i'm going to err on the side of openness.

We finally have a full time developer working on ioFTPD again. Now please let us now what we can expect from all these new tools. :)

Looking forward to seeing you soon in #ioftpd.

you can expect me to be more productive, for the short term loss of needing time to tweak these things and get them working. when i find i need a tool, i've been going off and getting it set up. sometimes this takes all of a day or more, but then i start using it and feel much better and more productive.

so for the short term expect something that looks a lot like nothing. :/

[_panic_]

you seem to eat a lot of free food panic :P

haha!

i consider myself a professional forager. no food tastes as good as free food. there is so much food around it's pretty easy to make an art out of it *without* taking advantage of people's kindness.

and since everyone here knows i like free food and good beer, they bribe me with it. :p

[godlike]

I hardly wait to get that ioFTPD 1.0 .... in summer 2020 .... this is getting redicilous ... i hope u noticed that.

[helenoksen]

I hardly wait to get that ioFTPD 1.0 .... in summer 2020 .... this is getting redicilous ... i hope u noticed that.
did u actually read the entire thread? :/

[godlike]

Yes i did. But did you actualy read the first page when u get greeted on inicom.

Product Announcement!!! ioFTPD V1.0 Final is in its final stages of completion. More than a year in the making, ioFTPD V1.0 Final is... (read on for more)

I think this is a good 1st april joke for a long time.
And its nice from you _panic_ to write what u do in free time etc. But the fact is i didnt pay for that i payed for ioFTPD so i dont care if you eat melten or frozen ice cream in free time :)

... was just my free opinion ... dont hate me for that ...

[aktizol]

i am not a foundation user, but i totally agree with godlike.

it's really funny that most of the time, your discussions concern _panic's_ vacations and how much fun he has in his private life ;-)

i thought this was a forum for technical discussion and announcements about ioFTPD.

but it's everything else than that.

[EwarWoo]

Steady on guys.
The forums have always also been a friendly place where like minded individuals have a chat as well as technical discussion / support.
At the moment _panic_ is settling in so has little technical info to provide but is posting updates anyways with what he can, even if personal, partially to fimiliarise himself with people, partially to make sure its not forgotten. Which is in the spirit if what the place is about.
I agree 100% that statement was made way too early and as become a bit of a joke, but thats iniCOMs fault not panics, remember hes only newly come onboard and give the guy a break.
Having a go aint gunna change the fact that iniCOM went so long without organising anything, the only thing it will change is panic's friendly positive attitude.

[EwarWoo]

Oh, n by the way, gald you enjoyed your break, would have loved to have seen parc myself.
The institute Apple stole its GUI from before accusing Windows of stealing their GUI ;)
+ of course many other contributions to modern computing.

[aktizol]

didn't speak for _panic_ in personal..

-> but for the situation which is circulated for months now.

am i wrong or am i missing something?

[EwarWoo]

You're not wrong no, but your timing is.
Nows the time to welcome panic on board and encourage his onward march to completion, not drag him down by dwelling on things that he can't change cos they're past.

[aktizol]

hope that we will finally see a new version soon ;-)

[_panic_]

I hardly wait to get that ioFTPD 1.0 .... in summer 2020 .... this is getting redicilous ... i hope u noticed that.

/me looks around

omg! the product is late! when the fsck did that happen!

it's like one minute things were going fine and *bam* we're behind schedule. i'm glad you were the *first person to notice* or we might never have realized what was going on!

seriously, after hearing the *same* whine 100 times it just really isn't that informative any longer. i think i'll start a new top-level thread called "*****ing about ioftpd 1.0 release date" and declare complaining about the schedule off topic except in that thread.

[SnypeTEST]

that'd be sweet.

[_panic_]

that'd be sweet.

yeah, i agree. flame on (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16287)!

[pion]

An idea - what about a public todo list? :)

I'm sure it's to long already, but we all have our little ideas on what we want we find wrong, and features we're missing..

So personally I would love to see what to expect in the future! :)

[_panic_]

An idea - what about a public todo list? :)

I'm sure it's to long already, but we all have our little ideas on what we want we find wrong, and features we're missing..

So personally I would love to see what to expect in the future! :)

i'd rather, instead of a public todo list, have a public wiki. i think it would work with the forums to condense information that becomes spread across multiple threads into a single place for dealing with issues and tasks.

i've *just* started an internal wiki for ioftpd... it isn't very good yet, but i'm putting more in there as i come across it.

[_panic_]

i've written a new status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=128551#post128551). comments encouraged.

[helenoksen]

whoot VS2005 ownz0rz! I use it myself for developing webapps. It has lots of cool new features.. it's def. going to help you being more productive!

cheers and keep up the good work !

[JoC]

Have the weekly updates turned into monthly?

[PNC]

Have the weekly updates turned into monthly?
lol... maybe you're right.. due I havent seen any updates...
Have to wait till something new come up.. :cool:

[_panic_]

i've written a new status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showthread.php?p=128894#post128894). comments encouraged.

[Harm]

It would be interesting to be able to use this regression testing framework for our scripts too. It's so easy to break one feature while adding/fixing another one.

I can't see any problem with it running on linux, except that some of the users who will want to run the tests may not own a linux box. What are the tools you've used to develop it? There are win32 ports of many *nix tools nowadays.

[_panic_]

It would be interesting to be able to use this regression testing framework for our scripts too. It's so easy to break one feature while adding/fixing another one.

I can't see any problem with it running on linux, except that some of the users who will want to run the tests may not own a linux box. What are the tools you've used to develop it? There are win32 ports of many *nix tools nowadays.

while i'm not literally using ucspi-tcp (http://cr.yp.to/ucspi-tcp.html), i'm using a program that is basically identical. particularly, i'm using a helper application to set up the ip connection, both client and server. further, the test framework is written in perl.

i think because of the architecture (fork+fd sharing) we'd have to use something like cygwin to get it running on on windows.

[_panic_]

i've written a new status report (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showpost.php?p=129254&postcount=16). comments encouraged.

[whocarez2k5]

Does the new release need a complete reinstall of io or is there a way to upgrade current setup?

[hukker]

I tried it out shortly with the original setup and the darn thing was running smoothley... site commands included :)

I also gave the sharedb module a try, and ioFTPD crashed almost instantly on start of the .exe file. (though this was a version with all kinds of script, so I cant really be sure if its the module or not)

anyone else tested with the sharedb?

[InvisiGod]

hukker, which files of your original installation have you replaced?

[hukker]

hukker, which files of your original installation have you replaced?

I downloaded the release from this site, and used it as it is, later I configured the ini file and some other files when I wanted to test the sharedb... thats about it

If I understand you correctly you want to know what to copy from the new release to your "old" release... best thing to do would be to copy the scripts folder and other important stuff you need to the new release of ioFTPD, then edit the ioFTPD.ini file to make it all click.

anyways someone might post soon what goes where if you dont want to do it this way.

[JoC]

Only had time for a quick test of 5.8.8r, and now it crashes as soon as i try to start it.

[toki]

just replacing the 2 dlls and the io executable (from 585r --> 588r) results in instant crash on startup-try.

just my 2 cent.

best regards

[richto]

5.8.7 works, change the exe to 5.8.8 and it crashes on startup...

[peep]

Notice this post (http://www.inicom.net/forum/showpost.php?p=129254&postcount=16), I guess you need to update more than just the executable since panic has updated both the php and tcl.

[PNC]

anyupdates?:)

[abracadabra]

5.8.7 works, change the exe to 5.8.8 and it crashes on startup...

me too.

2003 ent.

[PNC]

:mad: no updates??

[helenoksen]

maybe the discussion moved to irc?